A milestone 40th episode featuring a long interview with authors of the book Working the Patrol Method. Clark Green celebrates the occasion with listener thank-yous and digs into the patrol method with guests who have thought deeply about how it works in practice.

An extended interview with Larry Geiger, Scoutmaster in Cocoa, Florida, who has been a frequent commenter on the blog and podcast. The conversation covers his troop’s program, the journey toward a truly boy-led troop, and what success looks like when Scouts can do the whole thing themselves.